- From: John Hax <johnhax@gmail.com>
- Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 02:30:36 +0800
- To: Zi Bin Cheah <zibin@opera.com>
- Cc: (wrong string) ����ML <public-html-ig-zh@w3.org>, "KangHao Lu (Kenny)" <kennyluck@csail.mit.edu>
- Message-ID: <CAEeYXHWYUkwEqUoA_XniCyP9Jz5d28H_pUL_JsMU5tEqQO53WQ@mail.gmail.com>
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There was no >>>>>> consensus >>>>>> and no response from the editor, but since some people like Maciej >>>>>> think we can >>>>>> make <u> at least conforming[2], I would like to raise this bug to >>>>>> catch the >>>>>> editor's attention. >>>>>> >>>>>> Proper name mark, in Chinese [3] is a use case that was slightly >>>>>> mentioned in >>>>>> the thread (see also an example picture[4]). The purpose of this mark >>>>>> is to >>>>>> highlight *every* proper noun in some text to help the reader break >>>>>> words, >>>>>> cause Chinese people don't use spaces for word breaking. Although it >>>>>> is no >>>>>> longer popular recently, proper name mark is still used in some >>>>>> textbooks in >>>>>> Taiwan (esp. children's Chinese textbook) and Hong Kong. Because the >>>>>> purpose >>>>>> and frequency of using "proper name mark" in a piece of text is >>>>>> similar to code >>>>>> highlighting, I personally don't think it's appropriate to use <mark> >>>>>> for this >>>>>> purpose since the spec says "This (<mark>) is separate from syntax >>>>>> highlighting, for which span is more appropriate." But then <span >>>>>> class="pn"> >>>>>> is probably too long. This is not yet a very prevalent use case >>>>>> because proper >>>>>> name marks are often used in combination with vertical text and >>>>>> vertical text >>>>>> is not yet popular on the Web. >>>>>> >>>>>> While I do strongly agree that an underlined text which is not a >>>>>> hyperlink >>>>>> confuses the user in his/her browsing experience, there are HTML user >>>>>> agents >>>>>> for which browsing the Web isn't the main purpose and hence the user >>>>>> might not >>>>>> get confused. e-book readers are such examles. >>>>>> >>>>>> [1] >>>>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Dec/thread#msg268 >>>>>> [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Dec/0307 >>>>>> [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proper_name_mark >>>>>> [4] http://www.go8.com.tw/files/4168%200004.jpg >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Configure bugmail: >>>>>> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/userprefs.cgi?tab=email >>>>>> ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- >>>>>> You are on the CC list for the bug. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Zi Bin Cheah / л�ӱ� >>>> >>>> Web Evangelist >>>> / Developer Relations / Site Compatibility / Products Group / >>>> >>>> Opera Software ASA, Oslo, Norway >>>> + 47 23 69 25 81 / twitter: zibin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Yuan Chao >>> >> >> Regards, >> >> Zi Bin Cheah / л�ӱ� >> >> Web Evangelist >> / Developer Relations / Site Compatibility / Products Group / >> >> Opera Software ASA, Oslo, Norway >> + 47 23 69 25 81 / twitter: zibin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
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