Mike Pool tried to post to the public list and it appears to have
bounced.  I'm not sure why that happened but this month I've seen
other people who appeared to have the same problem.


First, here is Mike's email.


Second, if you have gotten bounced recently, please let me know.  You
can check http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-urw3 to see if
things you intended to post are actually there.


If there is a problem, we'll see if we can get it fixed quickly.


Ken


Begin forwarded message:


<excerpt><bold><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>From:
</color></bold>"Mike Pool" <<mpool@convera.com>

<bold><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>Date: </color></bold>July
13, 2007 3:32:13 PM EDT

<bold><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>To: </color></bold>"Ken
Laskey" <<klaskey@mitre.org>, "Kathryn Blackmond Laskey"
<<klaskey@gmu.edu>

<bold><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>Subject: </color>FW: three
questions based on the last telecon.

</bold>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,8080</param><x-tad-bigger>Hi,
Ken and Kathy,</x-tad-bigger></color></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,8080</param><x-tad-bigger> </x-tad-bigger></color></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,8080</param><x-tad-bigger>I
tried to send the below to the public list and received something that
looks a bit like a bounce message (an administrative note explaining
the functions of the list, etc. and explaining how to unsubscribe from
things, etc.)  and I don’t see the note on the archives: 
</x-tad-bigger></color><color><param>0000,0000,FFFF</param><x-tad-bigger>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-urw3/</x-tad-bigger></color></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,8080</param><x-tad-bigger> </x-tad-bigger></color></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,8080</param><x-tad-bigger>Do
I lack the permissions necessary to send notes to the list?  Should I
be using another address for such things?  (I have been receiving the
messages that have been sent to the list and receiving them at this
address).</x-tad-bigger></color></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,8080</param><x-tad-bigger> </x-tad-bigger></color></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,8080</param><x-tad-bigger>Best,</x-tad-bigger></color></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,8080</param><x-tad-bigger> </x-tad-bigger></color></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,8080</param><x-tad-bigger>Mike</x-tad-bigger></color></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,8080</param><x-tad-bigger> </x-tad-bigger></color></fontfamily>


<bold><fontfamily><param>Tahoma</param><x-tad-bigger>From:</x-tad-bigger></fontfamily></bold><fontfamily><param>Tahoma</param><x-tad-bigger>
Mike Pool </x-tad-bigger></fontfamily>

<bold><fontfamily><param>Tahoma</param><x-tad-bigger>Sent:</x-tad-bigger></fontfamily></bold><fontfamily><param>Tahoma</param><x-tad-bigger>
Friday, July 13, 2007 3:25 PM</x-tad-bigger></fontfamily>

<bold><fontfamily><param>Tahoma</param><x-tad-bigger>To:</x-tad-bigger></fontfamily></bold><fontfamily><param>Tahoma</param><x-tad-bigger>
public-xg-urw3-request@w3.org</x-tad-bigger></fontfamily>

<bold><fontfamily><param>Tahoma</param><x-tad-bigger>Subject:</x-tad-bigger></fontfamily></bold><fontfamily><param>Tahoma</param><x-tad-bigger>
three questions based on the last telecon.</x-tad-bigger></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param><bigger><bigger> </bigger></bigger></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><x-tad-bigger>Hi, all:</x-tad-bigger></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><x-tad-bigger> </x-tad-bigger></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><x-tad-bigger>We’ve been having some
great discussions during the meetings and I’d like to pick up a few
threads that came up in the last meeting.  I reread these as I was
trying to write up the minutes:</x-tad-bigger></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><x-tad-bigger> </x-tad-bigger></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><x-tad-bigger>1)</x-tad-bigger></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><x-tad-bigger>Peter suggested that we
use w3c standards as our guide for the meaning of ‘proposition’. 
Peter, do you know if this is defined somewhere by the w3C.  Could you
point us to the definition?</x-tad-bigger></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><x-tad-bigger> </x-tad-bigger></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><x-tad-bigger>2)</x-tad-bigger></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><x-tad-bigger>I argued that
propositions, in the sense of the meaning of a sentence that is
invariant through all the paraphrases and translations of the
sentence, rather than assertions or sentences as the kinds of things
that hold probability values. </x-tad-bigger></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><x-tad-bigger> </x-tad-bigger></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><x-tad-bigger>Kathy noted in the
meeting that a problem with this definition is that a system might
assign different uncertainty values to 2 different logically
equivalent sentences.   I can imagine that this is possible, but where
it occurs I would think it nothing more than a weakness in the system,
not in the definition I’ve suggested.  For example, I might
misunderstand ‘Es regnet morgen’ as ‘it will rain this morning’ rather
than ‘it will rain tomorrow’ (if I’ve translated correctly) and assign
it a different probability value than that which I’m assigning to ‘it
will rain tomorrow’.  But I think that anyone who observed my doing
this would point out that it’s a contradiction, i.e., that since these
things have the same meaning, I’m obligated to assign them the same
probability value.  In other words, it is in virtue of their
representing the same proposition that I’m obligated to assign them
the same probability value.    So, I think this only helps to
underscore the fact that when we explore our intuitions, we believe
that propositions are the real p.v. holders.</x-tad-bigger></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><x-tad-bigger> </x-tad-bigger></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><x-tad-bigger>3)</x-tad-bigger></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><x-tad-bigger>Anne, you said at one
point that “not all beliefs can appropriately be represented as
numerical values” and that it “glosses over inconsistencies - beliefs
may be logically incompatible”.  I was intrigued by the suggestion,
can you say more?</x-tad-bigger></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param><bigger><bigger> </bigger></bigger></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param><bigger><bigger> </bigger></bigger></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><x-tad-bigger>Again, thanks all for a
stimulating telecon on Wednesday.  Apologies in advance if this
address is not the right forum for these discussions.</x-tad-bigger></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><x-tad-bigger> </x-tad-bigger></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><x-tad-bigger>Best regards,</x-tad-bigger></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><x-tad-bigger> </x-tad-bigger></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><x-tad-bigger>Mike Pool</x-tad-bigger></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><x-tad-bigger> </x-tad-bigger></fontfamily>

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